DONALD GLAUDE

All right, welcome to another episode of a DJ's Journey. I'm your host, Deckard, I am honored and thrilled to have my fellow hometown resident, Donald Glaude.

Hey, what's up?

Nice to have you on board.

Thanks for having me.

absolutely. all right. We're just gonna dive right in. So Donald, tell me about what music was like in your household when you were a kid. When did you first really notice music?

I noticed music, I don't know, gosh, when I was a small little kid, I mean, my parents didn't really play a lot of it. I mean, my father was from Louisiana. He played a lot of Zydeco in the house. But, I'm the one that found my own journey this way. You know, listening to the radio and then I started collecting records like when I was six years old, six, seven years old. So, and then did that all through, I guess until now.

Were you were you were you collecting them at, you know, the garage sales or were you actually going to music stores with your parents?

No, I was going out and I was, it's been my allowance on records. So that's me. And then I spend my lunch money on records, that kind of thing.

What do you What

So I would just save it up and spend it on that. You know, my mother would take me. My first record I

What what record or records do you remember first coming to your attention?

bought was, um, actually was a Beatles record called Rubber Soul. And there's a, uh, there was a, a, a. drugstore next door to a house I lived in Lakewood, Washington. We lived there just for a year. were military brats before I moved into the house in Lakewood. Actually, it was Lake City that the house was in that we only lived in for a year. They're all right next to each other. And then we moved to Lakewood after that. But yeah, there was a drugstore next door to our house. and I bought the Rubber Soul record and then the next record I bought after that I think was a Prince record. And then it was his first album and then I don't know, I just started buying records. So that was it.

Were your were your parents into music as well? Or like did did you know, was it a musical household and

My mom, not really. No, I mean, my dad was like I said in Zydeco. And then, or whatnot. But it wasn't played a lot. I was the one playing the music, I guess. So, and I really got into like all sorts of different things. So there's, you know, from a lot of fusion jazz to a lot of funk. That's what I kind of first started off with, you know, and, and all the rock that I, I was used to hearing, you know, on the radio and just around in general. So, I mean, Washington's a great place, especially at that time to grow up in, because it was very, I felt like it was on its way to being very eclectic, know, so musically as well as, you know, people wise as well. So it was a good place for me to grow.

And at what point, and and w and and I I have to ask, in my household do we had one of those like really big console stereos, like, you know, you Yeah Yeah, in the middle and you

Yeah, we did too. Yes, in the middle. In the living room, it was wood and it looked like a piece of furniture, Yeah, we'd have to up

Right, right, right. Yeah. I was

the lid.

you could stack the records on it even, so it would like it. Yeah.

yeah, that's, used to play like that. I'm getting troubled that I had to go get my own, you know, phonograph record player, whatever you want to say. And,

I at what point did you go from buying records to when did you make the leap, I guess, to actually get you know, DJing coming to your attention?

Well, I don't know. mean, at first it was just like a thing I like to do, to share music with other people. So I just, you know, I would do that a lot with, I would record tapes and I would just pause, mix tapes together. Before I even knew there was, you know, DJing out there, but this was like when I was still adolescent, you know? And before I even knew that you could mix, there was mixers. I found that out a tiny bit later, you know, when I was like, you know, a teenager, young one. And then once I found out that was going on, I, went out and bought another turntable from the pawn shop and a radio shack mixer from Radio Shack. I had one belt driven turntable and one that was not belt driven when I learned how to mix. So that's how I learned how to mix. So I think that was the best thing. I think the best thing to do, especially back then, was to learn how. on something cheap, you know, to learn on something that wasn't, that isn't perfect. Because, you know, if you can do it on there, you can do it anywhere. yeah, I remember this banging my head on the wall for three months. And then I did, my first mix was close to the edit and that's the way I like it, Dead or Alive, or that's, they covered it.

Yeah.

the KC and the SunJet band won, so that was my first mix. I'd like, yeah, no,

And close to the edit, Art of Noise, right?

keep that, keep that, keep that, keep that, keep that, right over, yep. I still remember it.

I don't I don't think the current the current generation probably has no idea how influential R well Radio Shack

Well, that's the whole thing. because I a

was, you know?

I know Radio Shack was it I was ours. That was the internet back in the day was Radio Shack. You mean like other weird adapters and things that it had like other MacGyver shit it had in there. Yeah, it's cool. so that was the thing for me. And then I even DJed school dances with that stuff until I, you know, my mother was nice enough to buy me 1200s and a nicer mixer. And then I was doing weddings and, cause I was kind of taught you gotta work. So yeah, that was what I did. I mean, I created my own thing and... I guess that's what I've been doing most of my life besides me working at the record store or two record stores, three actually in my time. It was, was Tower hold on. It was Tower Records

Well okay, before well hold on, I'm gonna Okay.

first and then that was cool until that wasn't cool. And then, and that wasn't my day and they actually weren't my first choice, but I did well there. I think I some people nervous. And then, but I got let go from there, which was perfect because then I got hired at the store I was at for like seven, eight years, Penny Lane Records, and I ordered records for them and it did a lot there. So that was a really big part of my life for a while. That was right before I started getting noticed by like Seattle and then. places. was, you know, it might not have been seven years, but I mean, and I worked there maybe six, seven years, God, I can't quite remember. But, but yeah, but, but, but maybe in the middle of those six, seven years, you know, Seattle started recognizing me. And before that, I was just doing bruise cruises and house parties and some stuff in Tacoma, my hometown at a couple of little small clubs and whatnot. I was, I was there working at that, at the store and doing these odds and in things and in Lakewood. And then my friend Sean hit me up and said, Randy Schlager just quit the underground or wanted to quit and they needed a DJ. And that's what happened. So I went up there and then that's when I was at the underground and things kind of blew up for me. you know, we're the, we were the biggest club for a while, like lines around the block and whatnot. I don't know if you did your research on the underground or not, but in Seattle.

Well and and I and I did want I wanted to ask you

I was like, I was playing all the old house music stuff, the 90s stuff, all the early 2000s, all that stuff. I played eight hours there, a Friday night, every Friday night, it eight hours.

That's a hell of a residency. So that and that and that in that time, so so you I

Yeah, I know it was good learning experience.

assume I assume you moved from Tacoma up to Seattle somewhere in that in that range? you sound Tacoma. Okay. Okay.

Nope. I stayed in Tacoma the whole time. I've never lived in Seattle, but I claimed Seattle as the home town because especially at that time, nobody knew where Tacoma was really. And I

Right, right.

played a lot in Seattle. yeah.

Right. Well, and by the time so I didn't I went to college at at Washington State ninety-two and I was not a a club kid. boy, that so I I graduated when I was twenty-two. So I actually didn't start DJing and going to clubs almost almost until I was like late twenties. So so my exposure to you, and w I guess I'm curious, maybe you could tell me some more about it. the Seattle Underground during the nineties and Dan DJ Dan, rest in peace, he spoke of being obsessed with Randy Schlager, at the monastery. And then he moved to

Yeah, he was. I wasn't.

the underground. And then Donald started after you started after Randy left at the underground, which is what you were just saying, right? So can you

Right. Yes.

can you can you can we go back in time into that kind of early nineties like grunge is happening?

Sure. I took them into the dirt. That's what I did. Into the fucking dirt. And they loved it. They loved it. I just

Tell me more. Tell me.

took them into the dirt. They didn't know. I didn't know what to do. I didn't to expect. I just did what I would do at home. And they didn't know what to expect. But it worked. And I do think my numbers were higher than his, Randy's. So it is what it is. But I wasn't trying for anything. That's whole thing. I didn't know what to expect. No, no, so no expectations, right? You know making 150 bucks You know for blade Oh,

You do it for the passion, right?

it's been in every set I had on vinyl every set so so Yeah, it was it was an amazing experience because I really got to mold that place, dude. had it, I mold it. So it, and I would, it was kind of a dick. I would, I wasn't a dick, but, but I would show up kind of late sometimes to build up a little anticipation. And then I would just, I would just play for like eight hours and we had like different sections of, of, of it split up. So we'd have like, I don't know, we have the sexual hour and I have nothing. Everything in that hour would have to do with sex. play and you know, I had eight hours and then I would go to You know some faster stuff and some you know and some industrial stuff I went all you know But I it was nice to be to have that kind of time at the time to be able to go through all sorts of different genres and and and and and and And you know, the public was loving it. I don't know why or what but you know, I I didn't I did my own shit and it kind of bothered some people. But that's, I guess it's kind of how I am and still I am to this day. So it is what it is. It was a lot of fun though. People are losing their shit. It was fun.

Well well that that does I think I think that I think that fits the the I you know, the Seattle I is and I would just compare to say, you know, I DJed my first few years in Seattle and I I I think comparative compared to say San Francisco where they're real there's there's just a ton of genres down here. You can really you can find it old, new, you know, if you

Yes. Right.

want New house and young kids. Seattle, it's a little more I don't know how you would describe it, my experience. I would say it was just a little more it was a smaller club scene. It was more focused. Tends tends to be younger.

I think it's smaller and I think it's separated, which is not always good. Kind of separated a tiny bit. You know what I mean? Like not, like San Francisco, feel like, you know, of course it's separated sometimes amongst genres, but I do feel like they, for the most part, especially now again, that they're talking to each other and I don't know, it's hard to explain. I love Seattle. because there was a lot of talented DJs and it made me a better DJ, right? Because they always me on point, you know, for the most part. So that was really good. And it is smaller, it's way smaller than the Frisco scene if you're gonna really look at it as overall, don't you think?

Yeah. Well and I it yeah, and I I it felt to me like you know, when I first started going into the DJ scene, which which wasn't until around ninety nine, so some of the n clubs or names, you know, I was familiar that you were to me, you seemed like a a big fish in a small pond. That was kind of the way that was kind of the way I saw it. And then by the time I started DJing out, you were playing I think by that time you were playing you would play at the show box every once in a while, which w for people who don't know, that was

Yeah, yes, yes. I love that place, man.

A lot of a lot of concerts there, a lot of rock shows, alternative shows, and then and then they would

Yeah, I like that. I like that energy.

sometimes do club shows and then they would always close at

Yeah, dad.

like one forty five, you know, do the whole last call, get out of here, you know. San Francisco clubs were going till like four, four thirty.

Yeah, I Opened for death that I have open for Daft Punk there. Yeah, they're on their first tour when they're doing Yeah, when they were just rolled up and they're yeah, and they're like, know their shit and they're little like Motorcycle helmet helmets on that weren't like No, I don't even know if they I don't even think they had them on. I'm not sure I'm gonna like Yeah, yeah, I'll have

Pre pre pre robot pre robot era probably, huh?

to double check But I do, I

So

do remember opening for him and seeing their, all the, you their nine nine set up and all that shit. Yeah. That was really cool. Thanks. Somebody had to record.

So what what was that like as as so as you were starting to kind of I guess ascend, you know, in in as far as you know, your your local cloud, at what point did you start getting noticed outside of Tacoma, Seattle area and start, you know, traveling for for gigs?

I'm still loved in Tacoma. I loved in Tacoma still. I don't know remember exactly when. I was hesitant so I waited for like a year or so before I was getting hit up for like a year. just I did not. I didn't go to like a year after I really started getting hit up and I can't remember when that was. was shocked to say who he would remember because he was around there and Josh Johnson if you guys know who he is or not. But it was a long time ago. But it was interesting. finally gave in to Dan hooked me up with... the fucking show, Grape Ape 2, I think it was. And after that, LA was going nuts. And then he had to be up with the fucking Detetive Trap guys. And then that's how all that happened. It was through Dan. He did repay whatever he thought he needed to repay me for showing him records and just...

Well well and let me and and let me let me let me interrupt there to to give you the this is what Dan told told me on on the on this podcast. So for and and just to go back and and just you know, I know that I chatted with you about it, but Dan was really instrumental and he was the first person that said yes to me about doing interviews for this podcast. And and he he

wow, okay.

not only said yes, but he he looked at me very earnestly and he said yes and there was a pause and he goes I have a lot to say. I'm gonna read this to you. because you said you said you were playing at the underground and you set aside a half an hour for him to DJ. He said he was so nervous he said he was Yeah, he said he was

I told you that story.

so nervous and his hands were shaking that the record skipped. And he said you came over and you grabbed the mic and you said give it up for DJ Dan. He's an amazing DJ and he's a star now. And he said in that moment, the crowd cheers and he said it just actually kind of settled him to get he's like, You got this, got me moti and he said it motivated him to to but to be perfect or as perfect as you can be. what what do you remember

Yeah, right.

what do you remember from that night?

remember that? Yeah, I remember it skipped. thought either it skipped or he picked up the wrong record. I can't remember which one it is. I'm gonna I'm gonna stick with my version is that I thought he picked up the wrong needle on the wrong record, which which is very, it's easy to do when you're when you're when you're like scared, right? Or not scared, but just like frazzled

Yeah. Nervous, nervous.

nervous. Yes, exactly. But then you know, we are and it might have been a skip. Whatever it was doesn't really matter. Yeah, but I did. say whatever I said, don't remember all what forbade him what I said, but I did, you know, it's like nothing, you know, it's all, it's all good. You know, just keep going. We all make mistakes, you know, sometimes the mistakes are the beauty, you know? So, I mean, look at that. Now he has something, there's a big story to remember and people got chaired and his name got announced and now people kind of, you know, that's the start, right? You know, if he wouldn't have done

How did how did you

that, maybe I wouldn't have said. This is DJ Dan and this is, know, like it made a big deal

Right.

about it.

Well, it turns it into a memorable story. And and it actually and it and it also and

Yes, at least. That we're still talking about.

it also says something about you that in that moment, rather than either just let it go, let him figure it out, you you leaned in to also give him a little bit of grace and allow allow a a connection with with the crowd and Dan in that moment.

Yeah, of course. Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, of course. I mean, that was his, his, his moment and his deal. I didn't want to, you know, he was excited and I didn't want to ruin it for him. And, it all worked out really well. And I ended up with a great friend through, you know, out of, you know, out of that whole thing. So that's amazing.

and and and going back to something you said, so you said you were starting to get to to get offers, I guess, but is you said it took you about a year. So what was

Yeah.

going what was going on in that time? Did you were you were you

I was just, I was just, I know somebody just asked me this recently and with Josh there, cause Josh, you know, kind of wished, you he thought he thinks that if I would have went in a little earlier, it might've changed the trajectory of my career to some other level, which it could have. And, you know, but, but I was, I was more nervous about how it was going to change my life. So I knew once I left. started doing that it was going to change my life some way. You know what I mean? that make sense?

I'm saying that same thing at the age of fifty six now. Because 'cause

Yeah!

in the last in the last year I've gone DJ full time and with everything that means private parties, corporate, if someone asks me to do what, you know. Yeah. But it's it's a mentally that that is a big shift. Yeah.

Yeah, it is. Yeah, because then you have to look at what's going to change, potentially change your, you know, in your lifestyle and in family and you know, everything.

So so in that in that year did you did you come did you come

I had kids already, so you

to an in did you come to an internal acceptance of, you know, at least at least what you thought was

I came to the eternal acceptance that it was the only thing left for me to do. Yes. I mean, I had to do it. I knew I was going to do it. Just wasn't sure if I was ready for it or, you know, or.

And as you started going down that path, how how w well would you s would you say it was everything you imagined more?

It was, yeah, way more. I've learned a lot, you know? And, you know, especially if you're gonna stay in something for as long as I have, you know, there's gonna be ups and downs. So it is what it is. I'm on an upswing and I'm swinging as hard as I can. So keep a lookout. But yeah, just putting out a lot of music right now and just trying to, you know, after the pandemic, I told myself, you know, not to take all this for granted, you know, anymore. to try to remember why I got into all of this in the first place, you know, and what I loved about it and love about DJing and stick with that and not worry so much about all these other things, you know, so there. So.

Did you did you have did you have a time where you you felt maybe you did take it for granted?

I got pretty close sometimes, you know? Yeah, yeah. I've been doing it for like over 30 years, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. think around thirty-five, something like that. so

Yeah, yeah.

and I wanna go back to you. So that's amazing to me that that fairly fairly early on you were already playing eight hour sets, which and and thinking about it in terms of you know themes and arcs and all that. I I I guess I'm just curious too, when you started when you did start taking those those gigs, you know, like a start traveling, by that time Did you you could already play variety also, I mean obviously, but did

Yeah, so that was my whole thing. mean, I was really good at playing variety back then. I'm trying to get to that point again now, which I'm pretty close. So right now I'm playing

Playing playing playing more of a right.

three hour, I'm doing these three hour stints here and there like I did when I had Joshua Tree and it was a cold start, I call it. So no opening DJ, you start and you finish. I've done it for them twice. done the three hour thing for them twice. I've done it for a couple other things as well. And I want, that's what I want to do for my tour is a three hours step. So I would start from start to finish. It would just be me. So, and then I would go through a history. So I would, I would even start probably with my first mix I've ever did and just kind of go through a history of time and going up from then to now.

And did you find in I guess in your in your own musical journey and and so when you started like when you started getting synced up with like Funky Tekno Tribe, was did you find you just did your own thing? did you

Well, the thing was that you have to find your there's like what six or seven DJs or whatever it and at that time when I first started with them there or they were all it was always a one room thing. So so you have to find your niche, you find your spot, your thing, because there was a lot of overlapping tracks, you know, through from DJs like me, Dan and Spun sometimes. mean, you know, or me, Dan and Spun or me, Dan and Tony. I mean, depending on if I was going to play some breaks or not. Right? It would be spun. So you have to worry about not playing the same songs. You know, it's out of respect that everybody else is playing, right? So when I first started playing with the Funky Tekno Tribe, I did a lot of B-sides and a of this weird stuff. I knew that they weren't gonna play. You know, I know Dan

Right.

pretty well, so I would try to stay away from him. He was pretty easy to know what to stay away from. The rest of the guys, you I didn't know as well. I would just try to find all these weird tracks. I would play tracks on 45 that weren't supposed to be on 45, that were on 33. I would do just different things, play drum and bass records on them around speed, done a lot of that, just to have tracks that people didn't have that they weren't gonna play. You know what mean? And then I started to really get in the groove of finding records and stuff that other people didn't have.

And and at w at what point did you also start using multiple decks, not just two decks, but three or even four decks?

Gosh, whenever it was in front of my face, but it was early 2000s. Yeah.

Was that just a that was was that just a natural is that was that a natural natural extension of that style of just of liking variety and keeping it fresh for yourself?

Yes, yeah, right. And then now I use three or four, you know, decks, CDJs. So that's just the same, same thing I'm doing now. this, just because, you know, I don't always like to play with other people. You know, Dan was like one of the people I didn't mind playing with. but, you know, even playing with, you know, each other, sometimes they could get a little, you know, crazy, but it can be fun. You want it to be fun and want it to be something that hopefully you learn from. it's just, you can build on, know, because you're like, I got this track. I got this, you know, kind of thing. That's a lot of fun, right? And, you know, and we had a lot of fun doing that at times. But, you know, now I can, you know, play on four decks and I don't have to have another person playing with me to do the things that I want to do and the layering and, you know, that kind of thing. It's really nice. But yeah, the three deck. Three turntable thing I was probably you know in the 2000s or something early and You know, I did it off and on and and sometimes I was pretty good at it mean the best person I've seen to final on three decks was was Carl Cox. So I thought yeah Yeah But I but I was okay, but he was good he amazed me a few times yeah

Yeah. Well and and I've heard you and and and and if you're gonna be compared to somebody that's not that's not a bad com yeah, you know. Yeah. And

and I'm hardly amazed. I'm gonna tell you that.

And and I I was gonna mention I I didn't mention this to you before. I I did I did mention that you came up and obviously Dan Dan brought you up and and he's he's

Yeah.

told me you know just when he and I were chatting lots of stories, but you also did come up with the first three episodes actually. Wes Smith mentioned you again, part of the Seattle scene, and Kelly Reverb. he he's mentioned you multiple times and he he mentioned your

Yeah, yeah, he's a good dude.

your style is like a spectacle. Like

Yeah, it is. It is. He nailed it. Wow. I'm pretty impressed. Yeah, it is. is. is. It is perpetual chaos. But it's good.

Yeah.

It's beautiful.

and then and then my research and and you and I chatted about a little bit, but so you were in Vegas really before the what the current the current wave, which as far as I think what we would say is kind of a an E DM or a post E DM Vegas trend.

Right, yeah, right. You're supposed to eat, damn, yeah.

But so you were and you and I talked about Dre's a little bit, which is you know is before it became like Dre's sort of a super club, it was you know this more

It was as straight as the freaking underground, the dirty underground. had so much fun there. It was so much fun. my God.

Yeah, the dirty dirty underground, super fun on a in a small off off strip, you know, wasn't like in a big casino or anything like that.

Yeah, it was amazing. was like I had so much fun and like if it is it's so much fun there

So tell me so tell me about your thank God it's Friday residency and I y I th you mentioned two clubs. one of was ICE and what was the other one?

Yeah, yeah. Well, my residency is that I had kind of an un-set residency as this club called, or this, was Utopia. And then, which all the old school Vegas heads know about, and if not, if you don't know it, you should look it up. It's legendary. And then, and I did that off, off and on. That was a lot of fun, God. And then after that, but that was unofficial, you know, like an unofficial thing, like ICE was. And still, I guess, like, You know, we were talking about earlier, and I was surprised to hear that recently that I was the first out of resident DJ to come in and do that kind of thing that's been going on. Like we were talking about, you know, all the residencies they've been doing since, you know, from Tiesto to Diplo. know, like Tiesto would come to our club and play, you know, and I was a resident and he'd come play a couple times. He played a couple times. You know that year that my residency only lasted a year. He played there a couple times and and whatnot. But but yeah, I was before all those guys. Since we're seeing.

and there was also a a short lived spike T V show called The Club.

Yes, that's in that that that's called the club that was about that. That was about ice. Yes. Yes. And Dan was on it for one one episode. Yeah.

what what did the cameras catch that that was never shown?

I don't know, I was pretty good by hiding away. But Vegas is a dirty, dirty mistress. God.

Well what was that I mean I mean I know the TV T V in Hollywood and all that, it's a very different obviously than you know the club world, no cameras are on. What what was like what was that like being part of, you know, that I guess that production?

It was weird. It was weird. I was hesitant to do it. was weird. Luckily, I wasn't the focus so much, right? As the club itself being the focus, or I probably wouldn't have done it. And it was okay. It was kind of cheap. It was cool. It was cool. At the first part of that residency, I had such a good time. The last three months of that residency was hell. And it's just because it's

And why and victim

a residency. Things get tired. Right? We were doing it. Excuse me. I was there three, I think it was Fridays or whatever it was. So it three weekends out of, you know, out of four or five, depending on what the, you know, the month had. I, or actually, no, I was there. I only got, let's put it this way. I only got one weekend off. Eventually people get worn out, you know, or now I got worn out. I way too much, got involved in all that Vegas drama. Love you Vegas, but damn. I love you, don't get me wrong. I DJing there, but it was rough. And the last part of it, but we got through it. And that helped buy my house and some other stuff, so thank God. That I don't have anymore. But it was my first house.

What w how do you how do you feel about or how did you feel about it when the EDM wave hit? Like did did you see how

I had mixed feelings and all I know is that I knew that I had to, there nothing I could do about it. Does that make sense? I had to figure out how I going to ride the right wave or not. I wrote it differently than Dan did. mean, cause I came from a DJ standpoint of like, I came from a DJ standpoint of where I've already had DJ just for like, know, weddings and people's entertainment. That's my first concern usually still is entertaining the dance floor and making sure people have a good time. So I was able to make the switch kind of, right? It didn't make me happy. I was very proud of Dan for sticking to his guns because it was a hard one, right? Like it's very, it was very not what we were doing. Does that make sense? Like,

Right. Yeah. Well and and I and let me let me add another question to it. it around that I guess, you know, in that same kind of time frame, you know, it was it was I don't know, if from my recollection, I know Electro felt really big in like two thousand six and then probably, you know, the

Yes. Yeah.

EDM kind of so maybe a two thousand eight. Also around that

Right, it was right.

yeah, it was a kind of a kind of a little bit of a delay there. There was like a beautiful sweet spot where there was all this great electro music. but this is also

amazing right like I thought my god

Yeah. it was amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I and actually it was funny because when I when Afro House started getting popular last year, I I'm not I'm not even kidding. The first thing I thought to myself was, if Afro House is coming now, what's coming later is Darker Tribal and then what's coming after that is Electro again.

Yeah, I think the nitro

Yeah, it's yeah yeah. I've I've I've been noticing it, yeah, this year quite a bit. yeah, and it just

It's cool, man. But yeah.

yeah, it kinda follows that those those cycles. but

Yeah.

Plump D Plump DJs were talking about that with Breakbeat too. They were he was Lee was talking to me about he Yeah, he

Brainy's gonna fuck dude right now. my gosh.

was talking about like twenty year cycles and like and they're they're having an anniversary of their plump night out. And so you know, he said it's

Yeah.

in it's interesting how the crowds are different. they're younger yet and they're more d and they're more

Yeah. Yeah. That's what you want. Yeah. You know.

and they're more daytime than nighttime, but you still can get that same energy. Yeah.

It's a trip. Yeah, I don't mind all that daytime stuff. mean, earlier stuff. I mean, I

Yeah.

still like my late night stuff, but but I don't mind.

Well

I don't mind the earlier stuff too. It's great.

And and were you so were you I I didn't get to this part in my research. Were you a record label owner as well?

Yeah, own Eden Recordings. I still do.

Eden Recordings. Okay. So so I'm curious, did you did you run into the same issue that that has come up multiple times on these conversations? that kind of, you know, post two thousand five, you know, in the in those earlier days, you know, you could sell five, ten thousand vinyl or something and make real money. Yeah. How did how did you adapt to

We were killing it once at one point. Pretty.

all this, you know, the the post vinyl and Vegas and then leaving the Vegas?

All that stuff, think the record label just stopped, to be honest with you. It was a little bit of an adjustment. My adjustment for me was different than Dan's, because Dan kind of stuck those guns and didn't give too much to the EDM thing. I kind of gave to it. I had to make a living, plus I had kids, that kind of thing. You know, I did okay. But at the end of it, when it started, it was still a big thing, I guess, but towards the end of it, I don't even know when the end was. Then, what, when do you think it was? 2016, 20? I mean, it's still there, but I mean,

I mean it's still it's still I guess, you know, t Yeah.

okay, that might have just been when I got tired of it, right? So, you know what I mean? I'm like, really tired

Yeah, well and I see it like things like things like

of this.

you know, e like E D C

I can, I want to.

E D C D still happens and Wonderland and some of these festivals and I I feel like they I feel like it's I don't know, bifurcated or something and like it still exists in this

Well, they're trying. I'm playing a bunch for them now. I just did the old school room at Eddie DC this May and it was insane. It was amazing. Packed, And we all, like was me, Steve Loria, a bunch of old school LA like and whatever DJs and we all just did our thing. And yeah, it was packed. Packed. You should look it up. There's gonna be more of that. So.

Do you think and do you and and do you think and do you think do you think that's like a different crowd that's kind of catching on to you? Like

There's there's there's some there's a some of that Yeah, there is and I think and there's a bunch of old-schoolers coming out wanting to hear you know they want to come out and they they're coming and they're you they're in their 50s and Maybe even there's 50s or 60s even in there paying money to go to ADC, right? And they're there in there as well. And then there's a bunch of those young kids there, too. So it's a good diverse whatever and I And I think it's good because I think they, you know, the, the rate, there's a big, uh, comeback on the rave movement. like the rave thing in general. I think they really want to know what that was really like. You know what I mean? Nostalgia.

And and you and you mentioned some of the names and I mean and this is quite illustrious crowd to be amongst here, but Dan mentioned he called it the touring circuit. And he said it would be often be himself, you, Fat Boy Slim, Carl Cox. And you know, like depending

Yeah.

on whatever the festival or show, you could kind of reliably reliably see you guys. And and obviously there's there's you know, you have some things in common.

Yes.

you you bring energy, you're obviously all all great DJs and and I think probably adaptable to wherever the crowd is, you're gonna you're gonna bring your

Right. Yeah. Yeah.

own energy to it.

And I think that's very important as well. Yeah. Yeah. So and he's right. Yeah. He's got I miss playing with with, you know, I've, you know, playing with especially I always will miss playing with Dan. But I was lucky enough to play with him right before all that happens. So that's good. But but yeah, I miss playing with with Carl. I would love to play with Carl again and and and and Fatboy Slim But but There was a time period when I was doing it a decent amount. Yeah, so he's right.

You have any any any stories you can share about just it with any of those guys?

Hmm, let me think. What was I gonna say? What was the dance story I was gonna say? Well, we talked about the dance story one of them there was the was the You know that the him picking up the wrong record, that's what I'm gonna say. That's I'm almost positive That's what happened, but he might have he might

Yeah.

have photoshopped that one. It's good in his brain I'm not sure but but it could happen this way That's one of the many stories I'm trying to think of an appropriate story to tell you.

I'll share one s one story from from this year and and and Dan hi he and I were on the phone one night and he had told me a story

Okay, was that another two hour conversation?

well yeah, yeah, probably. And and

Yes, that's that everyone I heard I thought I was might have been I didn't know I didn't think I was the only one but I didn't know he had so many two-hour conversations for him.

No, he I mean well he had a he had a what's the word? He had he could only tell it like it was.

Yeah.

he always just made it sound like, hey, it's two guys who love music. You know, like I did your show. I did

Yeah.

your show because you're you sound like you had an interesting perspective and you had a vision for it. I was nervous as hell to to share a song idea that I had been working on And I just remember he so set me at ease. He just he he I remember he just he looked at me and he just said, Keith, like this is a good idea. Keep working on it. Like you're a producer, if you can come up with an idea and turn it into a song. Because that's what a producer is. Don't overthink it. Yeah, like and don't make it bigger than it is. And I saw I saw him doing that, you know, kind of all all the way through his life, on the way that he

Rave.

he just told someone how he saw it. You know, he didn't have to sugarcoat it. He just saw it how he, you know, he said it how he saw it.

Yeah, he'd never sugar coated much of anything. Or he just wouldn't say anything. So

Yeah.

he'd just ignore you like, okay, nevermind. He wouldn't lie to you, know? wouldn't sugar coat

No, and and and in the w in in his own words it would be something along the lines of the the queen tells it like it is.

Yeah. The queen. Yep. Yep. man.

so and let me and let me ask you as well. So you were you were parts of Funky Tekno Tribe and LA and Seattle. you were parts of a lot of them. what's your relationship with Burning Man?

I've been there five times I had a great time when I went I don't know if I ever do it again. I'm not saying I would or wouldn't I haven't been there since 2018. I don't think I Love all the regional burns and The Santa Cruz was oh God it was amazing. Oh So amazing

Saw you had saw you had unscrews and Santa Cruz. That was great. Yeah.

I did that one and then and then always love burn On the other side in Florida, that's probably the both who are my favorites

Yeah, Love Love Burn I have not made it to yet, but it's been yeah, it's been it's been on my list. And and Sean Bala I I

it's good. It's good. Yeah, it's good. Don't let the Miami thing fool you. It's good.

No, well the fact that it's like right off I mean you can you can Uber your food there. Uber eats your food if you want. That's like that that's not that's not that's not suffering like burning in

Yeah, yeah, it's pretty crazy. A lot of people don't You can come and go which is nice. You can come and go And I remember the first time I went there we rented a car We we stayed we off-premise because you can go in and out And we got tickets last minute, you know and me and I played a few places and Dan was there but but I went with my my girlfriend Martini and and we drove there and we parked in the wrong place and they towed us, but the cool thing they towed us to the right place, parking lot. That's what kind of

Ha ha ha.

crap that would go on there. It was amazing, right? I was like, what happened? And then I thought my car got stolen and then I'm like, I was off. It was weird. It was so funny. yeah,

The nicest thieves ever.

right. That's where we were supposed to be. I thought that was really cool. So it's a really, really cool event. I would say if you haven't went, you should try to go there. And if you haven't been in the burn and you're young and able and in the right head space, you should try the burn out at least once in your life too. I'm just saying that to

Yeah.

whoever's listening.

Yeah. Well and and you know, I I absolutely I I a hundred percent that. And but the re yeah, the regional burns are definitely you get you get a nice flavor of it without

You really do. You have to deal with all the dirt and the unexpected weather. I think that's really cool. I think at a of the regionals, the people that go to those are... It's a concentrated amount of people that have already been to the burn a bunch of times. They kind of have a good attitude and they can teach you a lot if you haven't been.

Is it is it important to you on the DJ side to get a number like you were just in San Francisco for heavy painting zoo, another another burning man camp had a

That was amazing. And that was one of the most amazing, not just my experience, playing on the float. I was giddy. I don't get giddy. It takes a lot for me to get like, I'm sorry. I've always been, guess, it was amazing. Playing on the float in a parade, okay, whatever. I found it to be exciting. And then the after hours that I played was even, it was way above what I expected and you know the crowd response and everything it was a really amazing thing as well but but the thing I want to really comment on is is their their their their whole rave community that they have within the heavy pinning group that you know that that that helped create it or help support it and and then and the other groups that they all come together to do They do have heavy pedicure. I don't know if it's just heavy pedicure. They have other sanctions of people from... And it's really cool to see the community there. It's amazing. And people can learn from that. How they are so inclusive with all different walks of life. It's really cool.

And and Dan had spoke also of that in the same way that you said it, like that kind of the post EDM time where all of a sudden gigs were different and and big DJ pay days were coming. And so he he talked about that in in both on the side of I rode that wave for a while. but then then

Yeah.

he also he he specifically mentioned he's I don't remember what year this was exactly. I think you and I were trying to kind of figure out what what at what point did it feel like.

Yeah, right.

Hey, you know what? Like maybe this isn't the the train I want to be on anymore. And he mentioned

on it.

you know, and he said, Hey, my my my bank account took a a bit of a hit, but I made a conscious choice.

Mine did too, yeah.

I want I I made a conscious choice that I wanted to be part of events that had more of a community.

Sorry about the ghetto bird

No no worries, no worries. but you know,

Even in San Diego, right? So, but yeah, but go ahead.

yeah But having being part of events and saying yes to events that, you know, maybe maybe aren't as a big of a a paycheck. Sorry, managers and agents out there, but had a had a the crowd and the the energy and the vibe that that was part of the community.

the crowd or the energy that you wanted to be around. so yeah,

Yeah, yeah.

mean, I took a take financially as well, you know, but but but, you know, luckily, at the end of the day, I'm still here. And, and, and, you know, at that time, I think all the all the kids, all my kids are out of the house or about out of the house. So, you know, that did help as well. So I might have done it sooner, you know, but but

Okay.

But yeah, but it's hard. It was a little bit hard, know, and then you see some certain people making a bunch of money. I know it's not all about the money, but you have to sustain yourself and it can be a little discouraging. I know I went through a little bit of a depression about it, probably about that and some other shit, but I didn't want to to until later, but it is what it is.

And where d and where do you find yourself in twenty twenty six feeling about your DJing and production and where how how are you feeling?

I feel amazing. I feel amazing about it. I don't care what anybody thinks like I used to. That's great. Like for me, that's good. And I try not to get caught up into whatever I just try to, you know, the challenges are between me and me, you know, like I'm battling, you know, myself. So at this point, so, you know, when I get out all this music, I want to get out and I want to, you know, there's a few things I want. More than a few things I want to do before I you know end up maybe switching Professions or whatever, but I have no plan to do that anytime soon so No matter what no matter

All right. All right. Ga I was gonna ask the

what nobody thinks whatever I mean, I know I'm not young but yeah, I'm not quitting so

W when I when I was talking to Fat Boy Slim th earlier this year, he's he said he he felt like he had about five more years left. And I think yeah, I think he's I may be wrong, but I wanna say he's early sixties, maybe, sixty two, something like that.

Yeah, know we're kind of close in age, but yeah, he's older than I am.

Yeah. And he had he he played two I think over two hundred gigs last year. It was like the most gigs he's ever played the year. So I'm like

Yeah, yeah, right. there's this whole region, like this whole thing about, you know, people finding certain to maybe respect some of the old school or, you know, you know, giving the old schoolers a chance. I'm not saying he's always been popular and he's the man and, you know, and

Yeah.

I played I played with them. But you know what I'm saying? There's this, there's this resurgence, like not just in certain places, like it seems like it's kind of happening all over, you know, so.

Right on.

that I'm excited about.

okay, I I'm gonna hit you up with a a segment here called crate digging. I've got five five titles from your past and I would love it if you could just give me your thoughts or any anecdotes, any stories about it, and we'll just go. sold cha cha.

I'm gonna redo that track.

You're gonna you're gonna redo that track.

Yes, yes, yes. So you'll hear a version, a new version of that soon. That's a plan of mine. Yes. I, it's probably one of the, my more favorite tracks that I've produced to be honest with you. Bohannon Sample.

And why what makes you what makes you want to redo it now?

Because I think it's one of the few tracks that I did back then that makes sense to redo again. I could use a redo. I think it could do well even now. It's done right.

To the soul.

Damn! That's an old one.

I called it crate digging for a reason.

Okay, okay. That one I probably won't redo again, but I remember making it and it was a leading point to Soul Cha Cha. So, yes. So it has its own importance to me as well. So.

Did you have did you have a a mentor for producer? Did you

No.

how did you how did you take the the steps into producing?

I just taught myself, didn't have a mentor.

What gear did you first try out on?

actually, I mean, no mentor, but I mean, I mean, the person that did help me understand using a computer and production on the computer was, was Anthony Mosquitel. He does in Seattle. He used to do some of the shows that the show box that you're talking about. He was involved with the, that that punk one actually. And, and then, before that I was in the band. I played bass and. this guy named Saul did a lot of programming. They weren't mentors per se, you know what mean? But they did teach me a lot about how to use a computer, you know? And to produce with one, so that makes any sense. But I taught myself, yeah, right, yeah,

Absorb Abs Absorb. Shadowing. Yeah, absorbed.

yeah, absorbing, exactly. But then I would drive probably most producers crazy because I don't use any of the shortcuts. You know, I got my own weird shortcuts. It's pretty guto, but it works. So that's why a lot of times I produce by myself or I do something and then I send it to, you know, to someone else and then we could collaborate that way, you know, so.

Right. All right. Get up.

Yeah. I did that with, I did that at, that's another one that I talked to someone that somebody else wanted to work on redoing it. So I might do something with a couple people on that as well. not going to mention them yet. So we do get up, but I remember doing get up. I did it with David or David was the engineer. I did it at Moonshine Studios and we did it in about a day or two. So it was fun.

Mad Disco.

Don't remember that. I knew you were to get one of that. I didn't remember. Fuck. Spell with two D's, right?

Two D's. Yeah, yeah.

I remember that, isn't that funny? I remember that and I can see it, but I don't remember what it sounds like. Great song. It probably wasn't.

All right. Stick

Second, I have a remix of that I'm working on. Yeah, that was great. We did that over the phone and I can't remember who engineered it. I don't know if I'm supposed to mention them. So yeah, it was me down in the third. So that's all I'll say for now. Yeah. And then TJ's remix was really good too. I really liked that song a lot. It was really good for the time period. And it did, think, did it go to number one? It might have been one of my only actual number one tracks. you know. On B-Port. On B-Port, anyway.

I didn't I d you know what in in I I'm gonna post I'm gonna I'm gonna okay I'm gonna post research and I'll I'll add a tag if it went number one so everyone

Yeah, yeah.

knows. and what was that what was that like going into like collaborative you know, so as you're learning production yourself and then getting into collaborative mode.

it's cool. I, I, I like doing it now a lot. back then it was cool as well. I didn't know as much as I do now. I was a little stubborn, you know, I could have went the route of always working with someone, but I guess I, I am stubborn and I guess I have a little bit of a, I don't know, ego, which isn't good. It isn't always getting bad depending, right. But, I, I went on the route of like trying to learn and do it all, you know, and all myself. I think. What happened with me is that... pre COVID, you know, I can really write, especially at that EDM period, I tried to force it and it just wasn't happening. then, I think when I started to get better at it, I'm not saying even great, I'm not even super great now, but I am better, at production during COVID, you know, when I just decided to kind of like go of all the preconceived notions and kind of do, and just to do what I felt like I needed to do production-wise. Just make the music that came out of me instead of trying to always copy other, you know, what was going on, if that makes any sense. Trying to write a hit, like that was a lot of it. You'd be talking to your agent or whatever and they're like, you need to write a hit. You need to write a hit, right? And all this pressure and, you know, the, I guess just wasn't, I mean I could play it I guess, but I just couldn't write it, you know? So, now I feel a lot better about it because it seems like it's, right now it's kind of the Wild Wild West, you know? You can do House, you can do 90s House, can do, you know, this or that, or a lot of hybrids, combination of things, you know? And it's exciting. And I've definitely done better when I've just kind of done me, you know? And it's not perfect. You know what mean? just putting, doing the music with, I keep saying it, with intent and putting it out even if it's not perfect, perfect, nitpicking at it all the time. not, know, cause that, I used to have a lot of stuff that I would never put out because of that, you know? Like, would never make the light of day. So, no.

Just because you didn't you more but more because you didn't think it met like a quality bar or it or it didn't sound authentic, maybe?

Right, yeah, yes, yes. And sometimes the stuff I pass doesn't quite meet a quality bar. I just think that that's only way that I'm gonna get better, right? Is putting stuff out there and putting myself out there. It's just the way it is for me.

Did you did you ever have that I'll ask the question, but a quick anecdote to it. So I thought this was interesting, and sometimes how DJs or producers how they think of themselves or how they're you know, how you know, when you maybe when you were thinking about trying to produce a song in that time frame, it maybe it wasn't feeling like authentically you. And a friend a

Right.

friend of mine whose DJ name is Ding Dong, he talked about going to this gig and he said he said he He he didn't even really think about what he was going to play ahead of time. He was all good. He, you know, he was going in. He felt confident. And then the person about about a couple of minutes before you went on there, he he said to him, like, Hey, give me that ding dong sound. And when the guy said that, he kind of went, Wait, what what do you think is the ding dong sound? And he

Ha ha ha ha ha.

and he said it really kind of messed with him for about 20 minutes in the beginning of his

I hate that.

do you run into that sometimes where like who who is Donald? Who's who is Donald

Sometimes yes, yes, yes, and that's.

tonight right now?

Yes, I have.

And yeah.

have. And it's just because the fact is, sometimes, and it's a hard one, that's usually why I don't show up until right before I play, usually. It's because I don't want something or somebody to get in my head, correct? Like, it could be somebody just going to the show could say the wrong thing to me and they can mess with me for 20, 30 minutes, right? Or or the DJ playing one of the songs I was gonna play. You know what mean? That was a main song that now I have to switch things up on or whatever. But sometimes it's good to know what the DJ played before you, so it's a hard one, right? But I have had that happen, yes, to where it's something that's messed with me, you know? And I've had to shake it off. So, yeah, it happens.

Right. that's that's funny that's funny you mentioned that 'cause I I I I guess in a similar way, I tend to not listen to very many other DJ mixes because I'm I'm almost like, you know, bl I'd I'd almost rather be blissfully unaware and I'll discover songs how I discover and then

Right.

that'll get that'll get melded into my style and I don't want to think about, man, I'm just playing three songs that that DJ just played.

Yeah, right. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Same thing with me. don't listen to a lot of other DJs. You know, I do it, but not really. Actually people laugh. I don't listen to many mix, you know, and all it's music for other people,

Yeah. Yeah.

you know, like, whatever. that makes sense.

And then there's there's the the the the flip side where I was talking to Z trip at Breakfast of Champions two years ago and and he was there hours early and he was just hanging out backstage and he just said it was he said it was important for him, context was important, so he wanted to soak it all in. Yeah. I like I like yeah.

Right. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And, and, and, and, and that is, and they're both important. I mean, I, and for example, the Joshua tree thing I brought up, the three hour thing that, that, that I spoke about, you know, where you start cold. So, you know, I mentioned it again, starting cold to me means there's no opening DJ, right? Nobody's setting you up. You set yourself up and you've closed the show, right? You're the whole thing. So. But I did, there was a DJ I played on Saturday, another guy I played on Friday. went to see, forced myself to go, you hear me, I forced him and I did, I forced myself to go listen to him. He was good. Don't get me wrong. He was really good. I'm so happy I went right because because I felt I don't know this crowd at all. Right. That makes sense. Like I went there to see what this crowd was about. Right. And what they did respond to that the DJ play. Right. And what they didn't kind of kind of see how kind of to see how were my boundaries were with them kind of right. Like

Right.

I just just to kind of have like General understanding of them, you know, cuz like if you go to the burn I understand that crowd, right? Does that make sense? They go

Yeah. Yeah.

so I understand these crowds this Joshua tree thing was kind of a hybrid mix of I Imagined so it's nice sometimes then or the first time you go to love burn or an event like like that or ungrues or whatever They kind of see that absorb what's going on, right? Does that make sense? So so I understand why he was there for hours especially with He doesn't, and he doesn't really have to worry about. other people playing his stuff, right? I mean, in those, in that kind of situation, correct? I mean, I would think that you would agree with me with that, right? Like, it's, you know, we all know his style, he's the shit. and,

Yeah. Yeah.

but him wanting to know what the crowd in, you know, what, get the feel of the energy, I think that's really important sometimes. So you have to gauge it, and it's a personal thing.

Yeah, and Joshua Tree, I I I I went last year, I think. and they do it twice a year. But yeah, that's it's a very cool setup because Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, I did. I played November. You probably went to when it was like the bigger one, right? Yeah.

Yeah. And it's very it's very curated. And so yeah, it is it is interesting to to be at a festival where it's not about music playing on every stage, it's more about we

Yes. Right.

curate we're curating this artist and we kinda want to funnel people to to check it out, even if it's maybe not your your jam usually. yeah.

Yeah, I think that's what I kind of liked about that thing. I didn't know what to expect. I wanted to play and it was like one of the things on my list of things I wanted to do that I didn't think I would ever get to do. then they heard that I wanted to play and it all kind of worked out and then now they're great friends of mine. that mindset on the next day on the Saturday, so I went to listen to this guy on Friday. He played amazing. kind of showed me all these guys that was up, right? This crew knows what's up, knows what's up. I play on Saturday and I'm in tears by the end of my set. It was like one of the best sets I've played in the last 10 years. And I had people like, was, was, it was like, it was, you know, people were saying, and I don't like say this lightly, like, you know, I took them to church, for example, it was just, it was, I went from like house, I went all over the place, dude, like, sort of funky, funky house, right? And then this started and I ended up all dirty and hard and then We're happy, you know, and it was great.

What were you wait you you said you had some fears. What what what were you feeling? Was it just a satisfaction at that that journey?

Well, I've been going, like I said, emotionally, I've been going through a lot, just trying to get my career back on track and having people believe in me and whatnot. some other things happen, a lot of, I'll just say, lot of cock blocking and people getting in the way and me having the circumvent and me just trying to keep the dream alive and believing in myself and you want to show others. I don't know, it really reaffirmed that this can still happen for me. So that makes sense.

that's beautiful. That's beautiful. and we're in the we're in the very home stretch now. is there anything that you you've been listening to recently, new or old, that you would like to that that's moved you that you would like to mention?

wow. I don't know. What has moved me I think is more of, it's everything, all of it. So from the music that's coming out to the potential of the people that are going to these events and where this can go, I think it's exciting. can make you nervous and excited but. It'd be nice to get some love and some old school player back into it and I see it. So, it's good, it's not all the bottles and tables and shit so much anymore. I think that's exciting.

yeah, absolutely. And and it it's I'm like I'm I love to see these events like seeing you at un un unscrews with the the the memorium to Dan there and playing a beautiful set and you know doing the the pride parade here. So I I I I'd love to I'd love to see somebody who's from my hometown kicking it and killing it. and much appreciated that you're on the podcast today.

I appreciate it. Thank you so much and

That's not a lot.

I'm about to re-up and if you ever I'll probably think of a few really crazy dance stories that I could tell you but at the moment I keep thinking about all the ones I shouldn't. So I'll just keep those.

Well, and I'll say this, and and it's it's well I know there's a lot of stories and and one of them that that Dan had Dan had said to me before about a month before he passed away and he he we

Yeah.

were on the phone and he just said, Keith, it was when I retire Okay, okay, hit me, hit me

I got one. I got it. Can I tell you? Okay, so Dan brought it up and I forgot about it. And it was, it was years ago and it was a Funky Tekno Tribe party had to have been or something like that. And it was me and Dan and Hopkins, right? You know. and I'm Jim and I guess I was like, I was still playing records and I guess we're all together and I'm just talking shit like I do or whatever and then I opened my record box. It was an actual record box with records in it people and there's like two old hot dogs in it. My kids, my kids were like trying to put me in my place and they all dad you think you're so cool. They put two hot dogs in my like old ones in my f***in in record box. I was so embarrassed. I forgot I have this Photoshop that out of my shit, you know, like I forgot all about it. Dan brought that up and I was like, Oh my God, no way. I forgot all about that. They laughed at my ass.

Yeah.

hard fucking kids.

That's awesome.

It is. Okay, go ahead. I didn't even interrupt you, but I forgot about that.

God. that's funny. I think that's that's that's the first time I can remember hearing a a a kid related DJ story like that.

Yes.

well so Dan had said and and so I appreciate I appreciate this because you know as I mentioned this podcast, one of the things that it that it does along with talking about your own journey is it helps create an oral history of of this dance music scene.

Yeah.

And those stories, so so Dan had said, hey Keith, when I he goes, there's stories I can't tell you because I'm still DJing. Because you know, when I retire, he goes, when I retire, he said, you're

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

gonna come to my house, bring your microphone, and we're gonna record all these stories. And and so I I so instead of instead of it having to go through Dan now, it's gonna have to be three people like yourself and Doc and

Yeah, I'll let them out. Yeah, exactly. Me and other people selectively, yes.

the Funky Tekno Tribe guy. So so with that, so my very last question to you, and and you were a nominee from Dan about being on the pod. If you could n if you could nominate and maybe help me get someone else onto the pod, who would it be?

Yeah. simply Jeff.

Simply Jeff. All right. All right. All right. Well if you Charles? Charles I don't know if I know Charles. All right. Well I'm gonna I'll I'll

Yeah. Or Charles Charles Feelgood Yeah. Yeah. Well, Baltimore, you would get a different perspective. That'd be good.

All right, I'll follow up with you 'cause yeah, I'm very curious and I'd love to get getting the stories into the pod. All right.

Yeah, perfect. Well, thank you so much. I appreciate it.

All right. Thank you, Donald. It's been a pleasure.

All right, we'll talk soon. Take it easy. Peace.